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PolycarpGyarados's avatar

Marines be hiding in the Eastern Catholic ranks too. Was shocked when I found 4 of them going to liturgy there...then realized half were officers...so that makes sense. We enlisted kind of out ourself.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

True story: Shortly before my future Devil Dog arrived prematurely, I'd read Waugh's bio of St. Edmund Campion.

I decided to name him "Campion" but was concerned my wife would reject the name as too odd.

We were in her hospital room just after, and I told her "I want to name him after a martyr."

"Polycarp."

"WHAAAAT?" she yelled back at me.

"We are not naming that baby 'Polycarp!!!!'"

After a brief pause I said, "OK, what about 'Campion?'"

(Thank you, St. Polycarp.)

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PolycarpGyarados's avatar

Bwahahah! It's such a unique name, but so important literally to physical proof and history of Christ and his apostles. I hope one day I'm honored with it if I become a reader or something one day.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I sent this to my Catholic son, stationed in Saigon.

He's named after two English Catholic martyrs: St. John Fisher, the only Catholic bishop to resist Henry VIII, and St. Edmund Campion, brutally martyred by Elizabeth.

I KNOW that my Devil Dog's brilliant excellence is due to his namesakes' guidance and intercession.

St. Isaac Jogues is also one of my favorites. The Iroquois cut off some his fingers making it impossible for him to properly consecrate the Host.

After he returned to France, he begged the Holy Father for an exception to allow him to continue saying Mass and return to America to continue saving souls for Christ.

That right there is some badass Marine shit.

Much more to say, but I have to go get ready for Holy Mass.

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NagsHeadLocal's avatar

This strikes home with me because having been raised on base (Dad USMC served from '43-'73) I would say that 75% of my good friends in those years were Catholic. I'm Presbyterian, still am. They took me to Mass, I took them to Divine Services. My closest friend for many years is the Catholic son of a Navy captain. I've often wondered about this. And as I traveled around in life I noticed that many of my Presbyterian congregants in various towns were veterans.

I wonder if it's the instructions in both faiths for duty (to God and country) and steadfastness (keeping the faith and showing resolve no matter what).

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Riley's avatar

I can’t put to words what I want to say

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Riley's avatar

Don’t be hasty in perceiving this as a compliment

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Mike McCormick's avatar

Loved this … thanks for holding the line … how do you feel about an ObamaBiden-led coup on our Catholic Church? Look me up for more info. I worked in the WH for a long time. There’s a reason it’s the Marines who guard the President.

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First World Refugee's avatar

Thanks for the support brother, I’ll have to look into that!

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RicketyFence's avatar

Well written. OGC ought to make you their editor for future articles.

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Prince Spaghetti Day's avatar

Holy hell, I forgot about that lava monster commercial!

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Michail Viljami Hubbard's avatar

Nice piece. Shattered my tibia in OCS, became Catholic a few years later, so this checks out.

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Peebo Preboskenes's avatar

Great piece. Thanks. In the New York region Catholics and Jews stick together so my wife and I took that advice.

Ever see the film "Heaven Knows, Mr Allison" - Robert Mitchum and Deborah Kerr - notorious Catholic John Huston directing? Well you gotta if not.

Do the Marines still use the term "Mackerel Snappers" for Catholic Marines?

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NagsHeadLocal's avatar

It's been a number of decades, but the Catholic Chaplain at MCAS Cherry Point was once known as "ComMacSnap" for Commander Mackerel Snappers, a rank he cheerfully acknowledged. Of course, people had a sense of humor in those days.

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Peebo Preboskenes's avatar

fantastic :)

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First World Refugee's avatar

I haven’t seen the film, I will add it to the list. I have never heard mackerel snapper but I love it hahaha

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Top Shelf Theology's avatar

I was too much of a sissy to even ponder joining any military force, especially knowing ours was basically just an agent of greedy corporations, but... this article got me screaming "AMEN" and "OO-RAH" at the same time, you rock, dude.

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Aaron Sellers's avatar

Yut 👍

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Rikhard Ravindra Tanskanen's avatar

I would say the Special Forces receive harsher training (half of recruits commit suicide) and are thus the best, it is just that since they are trained in unconventional warfare, they look like civilians in uniform (i.e. having beards and such). I was also pleasantly surprised to hear that the anti-Catholicism which has always been a part of American society is lessened in the Marine Corps (although the author implied that it still exists, since he said many devout Catholics keep it to themselves), but I should say that Christians tend to only drink for religious and medical purposes, the similarity between the Marines and Catholics is lessened. Fire-and-brimstone preachers and Catholics are both focused on the wrath of God and the glory of heaven, hence whilst Marines are both Protestant and Catholic (along for the obvious reason the United States has been white majority since the early 19th century). I would think the first Marines were veterans of the British Marine Corps (along with Navy veterans and big burly sailors), and the Catholics would be Irish, who are known as good fighters (the Mafia were also good soldiers, being descended from Norman knights and powerful peasants, so I think there would be plenty of Italians). Since drill sergeants used to beat up recruits in the old days - and recruits would not dare to aggravate them - I would think the discrimination in the military only comprises sexual crimes and not promoting minorities (including women, who are 45% of the population), or the poor (affluent families arranged for their sons to do their service stateside).

Regarding the statistics regarding Catholic belief, I would think that Catholics tend to keep their beliefs to themselves due to Protestant persecution, and that Cafeteria Christianity and Sunday School Christianity alienate people since they do not address the elephant in the room (i.e. anti-Judaism, the prescription of communalism rather than capitalism, and the implied ban on recreational alcohol), since neo-Christianity skips over these things, thus encouraging cognitive dissonance (since Enlightenment and Gothicist values contradict Christianity), and cause people to think Christianity is trying to pretend it is progressivist by glossing over the actual teachings of the Bible, the Bible advocating ANCIENT values. Given I would think the cultural decline of today dates back to the Renaissance or even Late Antiquity, the Marquis de Sade's claims that he participated in an orgy with the Pope and others in 1780s Italy need to be taken seriously. It also has to be said the crucifix is an image of Cesare Borgia, previous depictions of Jesus instead showing a stereotypical Lebanese man with a slouch (Jesus was descended from King David, who had Canaanite ancestry from Rahab).

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First World Refugee's avatar

This is an impressively schizophrenic post lol

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Peter Thistle's avatar

"Who's better, the Rangers or the Marines?!?11?🤓"

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PolycarpGyarados's avatar

I chuckle on occasion because sometimes I feel inadequate, but then realize what their final ruck march requirement was, is it 15 miles?

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Peter Thistle's avatar

The marines? Idk. I was just joking because Ive had people ask me that before and im like, dawg the RR is a sof unit what are you even talking about.

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PolycarpGyarados's avatar

Rangers from my understanding and technical standpoint... especially regarding infantry tactics. I think their end qualifying ruck march is 15 miles and the Marines do 12 during the Crucible. So I always feel like, oh cool. Physically I would do ok, until I started answering the knowledge portion tests with my crayon.

I remember listening to AOM podcast about the Rangers and it's a really cool idea of having people that go to Ranger school and having them out in different units services, augmenting them.

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Rikhard Ravindra Tanskanen's avatar

I apologize for the walls of text, but I was concerned about the paragraphs being too short.

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Literatus's avatar

Gothicism is actually a particular interest of mine, though I'm poorly informed on the subject outside of a Warhammer 40,000 context ... all i really know is that it's associated with hengst and horsa in 18th century literature, and that it's an analytical lens for resolving contradictions between roman and germanic/anglo-saxon law traditions and legal history

I actually had hoped that gothicism might be the means of ending the catholic-protestant schism, and providing christians with a set of values that isn't purely effeminate impotence and passivity bordering on the maliciously neglectful. That it might provide a set of national-gentile cutsoms sanctified by the church through the divine right of kings, since the church is manifestly indifferent to all lay vocations. Perhaps even the mythical "warrior/masculine/muscular christianity."

Why do you say it contradicts christianity/catholicism?

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Rikhard Ravindra Tanskanen's avatar

Gothicism is essentially proto-Romanticism, and had it's roots in the ideas of Rousseau, whose anticlerical and maltheistic ideas can be traced back to the concept of the Golden Age being a time before civilization, that Arcadia in Hellas preserved the Golden Age by being a pastoral utopia, and the Christian belief that savages (people ignorant of civilization) were like Adam before sin (to quote John Dryden's "The Conquest of Granada" "I am as nature first made man, before ere the noble savage ran"); Rousseau's beliefs can also be traced back to Roman writers who praised the Celtic and Germanic barbarians and condemned Romanization, these writers considering Gallo-Romans to be frilly (the writers viewing them as the English speaking world views Parisians).

The Heroic Age was considered almost as good as the Golden Age, and it was a time of pride (often resulting in hubris, the hubris being the reason why it was not perfect) architecture, metalcraft, wealth, and where people made sure not to offend face (Hektor was the only one who cared about honour, honour being based in guilt over doing something wrong as opposed to shame over humiliation).

Since the Europeans had contact with the Five Civilized Tribes (who were amongst the Mound Builders) and the prairie farmers (identified with the Seven Cities of Cibola) like the Mandan, they knew that civilization could live in harmony with nature, and since Rousseau would have known of Hernando de Soto he would also have known of the other Mound Builders in the Southern United States like the Natchez and the Atakapa ("little Natchez) he would have seen that so-called "savages" had civilization.

Thus he would have viewed the known civilizations of North America to only have the good features of the Heroic Age; no doubt he would have viewed the sophisticated coastal civilizations of the region of Guinea, of coastal West-Central Africa, the Nguni, and Madagascar as also possessing these.

Gothicism can be used to describe the French Revolution to the beginning of Romanticism in 1820, the transition between the Enlightenment and the Romantic Period.

Christianity condemns worldliness whilst Gothicism promotes emotion.

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Rick Olivier's avatar

Brilliant, and thank you for yor service to this great nation!

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First World Refugee's avatar

Thanks for your support. Glad you enjoyed it!

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Literatus's avatar

"The catholic church is like the marine corps. They don't have race problems because they treat all the laity like they're black."

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