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My family emigrated here from Italy to the United States in the early 20th Century. Both sides of my family are of Italian descent. I was talking to my mother years ago about my Great Grandfather, who was born in Italy and died here in the late 1960s. I said: 'Why did you never learn to speak Italian?'. She said: 'My mother was born here and her parents never taught any of their children (11 in total) the language at all, because "This is your country now". I always remembered that. My Great Grandparents had 4 sons, among the 11, and when the United States entered WWII (for good or ill), all four of my Great Uncles volunteered and enlisted in the Marine Corps, all of them fighting the Japanese in the South Pacific. This is not including my other relatives on my father's side of the family who did the same. There was never a question of loyalty.

They all settled in what was once a beautiful city: Philadelphia. They kept their homes immaculate, porches and yards clean and swept, neighborhoods watched and patrolled by strong men who would not put up with for one minute any kind of lawlessness you now see. Never any love, affection or trust for what my grandfather called 'Jungle Bunnies', a term and mindset I still hold. The city is now in ruins, the old neighborhoods overtaken by the trash my ancestors instinctively knew to keep away. I would not visit that city now on a lucrative bet.

My late father taught me from a young age on the values of this country, introducing me to the old writings, English Common Law, The Federalist Papers, Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, and the glory and splendor of The West. I have always been an Anglophile, Germanophile, Francophile and all of the other philes associated with European stock. I have no connection whatever with 'The Old Country'. I have only ever considered myself part of (even if not by bloodline) the proud people who are blessed to have been born in this land.

Now, there are a lot of people I align myself with who say Italians are not white or part of Heritage America. They are correct. Nevertheless, I still have such a love and affinity for my brethren that I do not care about the criticism. There is a difference between demanding someone recognize you as 'American', as you flaunt your ways of the nation you left and took here, and true assimilation into this country.

I want to see this nation rise from the filth and degeneracy we have descended into. It wrenches my heart from my chest to see people, who are descended from Founding Stock Americans, latch onto the Sodom and Gomorrah ideology that is so rampant and spreading like a black mold. And, for those who see how outnumbered we are, well, God has something to say about that:

Lev 26 (KJV): '......If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;.......And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.......And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword........And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword......'

Rom 8:31 (KJV) '.....What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?....'

Who can be against us, indeed.

My Great Grandfather's junkyard that he opened back in the early 1930s is still there, by the way. Same spot in Bellmawr, NJ, owned and operated by my cousins: Matteo and Sons.

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Italians are White. Nordicists - those who fetishize the 'Nordic' look - do the work of our racial enemies by finding reasons to divide Whites from each other. 'America' is impossible now. Embrace your Whiteness and join with those loyal to Whiteness. 'America' is has failed but White America can succeed.

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Thank you. That is much appreciated. I love my European brothers and sisters. I will proudly fight alongside my people if and when that day comes, and I do hope that we have a fine remnant of the Mighty and Glorious Scots who will bellow into the depths of their bagpipes to make our hearts and bodies soar with strength and courage to vanquish our enemies once and for all from this sacred land I love.

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There is a third type of immigration, which has been the more prevalent type for most of America's history: Immigration for the purpose of bettering one's life/the lives of one's children, that is not subsidized by the state, and which may or may not include love for one's adopted culture.

I am pretty sure that this is why my own ancestors left (mostly) the British Isles, to come to what was not yet the United States of America - at least one as an indentured servant. And I am pretty sure that it was what motivated the mass migration here from Ireland, Italy, etc.

I don't know to what extent my ancestors, or all of these other immigrants, left behind their own cultures and joined themselves to the culture of their new home. I don't know how many of them pined for the old ways back home, or made fun of the people in this new land behind their backs. But what I do know is that if you're going to be successful – or even survive – in a new culture, and no-one is handing you prepaid cash cards and whisking you away to a taxpayer-funded hotel room when you get off the boat, you need to do certain things and you need to behave in certain ways.

In order to make your way in this new world, you need to make some effort at getting along with those around you. If you become someone's employee, it won't work well for you if you hurl racial epithets at your boss, co-workers, or customers; if you go on weekend rampages destroying property; or start up a neighborhood grooming gang.

Likewise, if you own your own business, you're going to want to have good relations with your customers, and have a solid reputation in the community. Being able to speak the language, at least at some rudimentary level, is essential. Marching through the streets with a machete shouting "Allahu Akbar" will probably not help you much.

It is this third type of immigration that has been remarkably successful here in this country since its inception. And it bears no resemblance to what is happening in Europe, the UK, or at our southern border currently.

In the absence of outright state subsidy for immigrants, the pressures of having to make a living in society go a long way toward enforcing social cooperation and civility. Our own history demonstrates this quite well. Where things fall apart is – as it always is – when government gets involved.

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Intellectual Embargo pointed out something I didn't know... Immigrants used to go back, a lot of them. Maybe 1/3. They didn't like it in America or couldn't make it work for whatever reason.

I suspect that now the state is subsidizing mass immigration this doesn't happen as much.

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I learned several years ago, when Stefan Molyneux still had a YT channel, that exact fact. In the wave in which my ancestors came here (~1900), I believe the number was actually higher than the 1/3rd. My ancestors received, nor ever asked for, any form of handout or welfare. My Great Grandfather started his scrap business in his backyard and then eventually worked up to becoming a millionaire. All of his children (my Great Aunts/Uncles) worked for him in one capacity or another. Then, the Great Depression hit and his business got even bigger. He died at 86 in 1968, one year before I was born, and he worked every day of his life.

It's pretty insulting for the pro-immigration people to compare what is happening now to what happened before any of the state sponsored welfare programs were implemented. They might just be that stupid to believe it is all the same or are just peddling that line of bullshit for others who are ignorant and stupid enough to buy it.

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Interesting! But of course it makes sense. And yes, it's a whole different animal now. The folks who come for the free rent aren't likely to go back any time soon.

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The economics of immigration are irrelevant. It's the cultural destruction of immigration that is important. Government isn't the real problem. In my experience, private businesses are worse.

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My point is that the economics have a powerful lever on the culture. It's not irrelevant at all.

I'm not sure what you mean by "private businesses are worse." Do you mean that private businesses are subsidizing immigrants by the hundreds of thousands? I am not aware of that.

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In the USA, private businesses are the main driver of ‘legal immigration’. The US ‘Chamber of Commerce’ is a major proponent of ‘mass immigration’ under the guise of ‘skills-based immigration’. The result has been that the cream of India and China have been used to drive down wages and remove White workers from IT.

Economics has minimal effect on ‘culture’. But I’m not concerned with ‘culture’, I’m concerned with race.

The Koreans in the North and the Koreans in the South are the same people divided by an artificial barrier created by China and the USA.

They’re the same people.

It’s like saying the Germans were different races when one group was ‘East German’ and the other group was ‘West German’. When the wall came down, there was no detectable physiogomic difference (at least not to outsiders).

The propensity to look for ‘economic’ explanations is based upon the singular desire to avoid talking about race.

Because when you talk about ‘race’, you start to notice some people think a lot about race (like jews) and some people are encouraged to never think about race (like Whites).

As I’ve said elsewhere, when ‘conservatives’ and ‘libertarians’ say some thing is ‘not economically viable’, what they mean is that it cannot survive the racial nepotism of jews and other non-Whites.

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I agree. The economic argument is a concession granted before the negotiation has begun. It means I, the sovereign in my territory am not sovereign. I can't say No, just because well, I don't want you here. It means that whoever can show they have more economic value has more right.

By that logic, I have no right to refuse to sell you my house. If you can bid the price up and show you have more money, than you get my house. That is the logic of this nonsense. Worse, in the post-West, I am stripped of my value and my wealth, and worse of my social worth by virtue of being White, to pay for you to be here.

It is grotesque. That concession concedes that this is not a country formed and held by a sovereign nation, but an economic zone where entry is bought and sold - often bought by expropriating the very people who over and over again say no. We aren't things with a market value, we are a people whose history and very existence will not be liquidated.

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The 'immigration of love' cannot but result in the destruction of the people of their new homeland. They're an alien element. The problem Camus is that, in the end, he remains a liberal and believes that the Darkie leopard can, indeed, change its spots. But, if that were the case, the original homeland of the immigrant wouldn't need to be someplace they have to leave. Why is it the White West's job to make *any* other people *anywhere* happy? I submit it is not.

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I recently visited some friends who are Cuban immigrants, or children of Cuban immigrants. They were educated here. I mentioned that I would be attending family Sunday supper with my mother, sisters, and their families, and the wife had stated, "Wow, that is what Cubans do" suggesting that she didn't know that Americans also practice that tradition. (Many of us no longer do, and we really should).

I was born in, and still live in a major city which has only 10-15% of the population which is American, and as a white American, I grew up as a minority. Early Cuban immigrants generally kept to themselves, and don't have much exposure to traditional American culture, except what they saw on TV, but many of them had their own shows in Spanish.

My friends mentioned above however, have adapted to American ways almost completely, and are ashamed of some practices of their native culture. Many came with the desire to go back some day, but that has faded. Some recent arrival (post Soviet) Cubans (and all other Hispanic, Island, and Haitian immigrants) do go back on occasion, but they almost always return here. In a way, they are rejecting their culture, rather than coming to replace our culture with theirs. They are straddling two worlds.

Don't get me wrong, America overly accommodates immigrants. You can vote in Spanish or French Creole down here, you can be granted citizenship without taking the test or speaking English if you are older than 60 (which basically makes you unable to serve on a jury, a civic duty). In my experience, at least concerning Hispanics, their children and grandchildren largely meld into the existing population. They will speak only English, and they will adhere to most of the cultural norms, especially sports (not all of them). My nephews , who are half Cuban, speak no Spanish, don't like to fish, have no desire to roast a pig at Noche Buena (Christmas Eve), or even cook "Cuban food", one is even vegan now.

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is that louisiana creole or haitian creole

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What are 'American ways' in your view? The last major poll looking for agreement among Americans found that the greatest agreement was that 'Money is important'. There is no such thing as 'American' *because* of the immigration of people like the Cubans you seem to think have value. You also avoided the problem of identifying what kind of 'Cuban' these 'Cubans' are. Are they Negro Cubans or are they White Spanish Cubans? It makes a difference.

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I have to agree with Hamburger Today again here. What you described is the second generation abandoning its culture. They become American, but what does that mean? It means they abandon their culture but adopt what? No religion? No family? No traditions? No connection? No grounded and cohesive identity? It is all held together by an anti-identity - by being anti-White. I wonder if being stripped of identity and culture within a single generation and being thrust into a shopping mall as culture is a part of the 2nd generation's susceptibility to being rabidly anti-White. Aside from the propaganda and the constant anti-White messaging, there is a sub-conscious pain at being stripped of the value of being rooted in a place and a people. I suspect this is a part of the growing White underclass' suicide and drug problems.

Looking at all of the toaster ads on my searches it looks increasingly like Negro worship. With a dollup of Asian, SouthAmerIndian, blonde females and grey goop. When I don't avert my eyes, and I look at these things as a learning I see what is happening. The American Negro's hoodlum culture is hyper-sexualization, dopamine hits of a simulacrum of masculinity, (posturing and gesturing without any legitimate practice of manhood), and most importantly consumerism. It hawks the fancy watches, the fancy cars, the cheap clothing that is extremely expensive because of the logo, the spendthrift lifestyle.

Then this all makes sense. Aside from revenge and a desire to get back at Europeans, the Merchant Order elevates this for a reason. They want identityless, undisciplined, hyper-sexualized bling chasers. You will own nothing and be happy. What you earn you will spend to get status. As this empties your soul, you will spend more and more lavishly to fill the hole - jamming dragons down a hole.

I am friends with many Jews. They are the only people adapted for this environment. They do their Faline, their Shabbats and they do them every day and every Friday. Their culture is designed for living in a merchant run order with cultural practices kept mostly private but strongly held and practiced. That means the rest of us are just ever more bereft of identity, and ties to the past.

European man, if he can't wrest control of his societies back, and reconstitute his religions, his cultures, his traditions, his social mores, is going to have to, in organized groups, adopt a Jewish mentality. He is going to have to . Now, we should do this with a conscious desire and plan to adopt this as a short to mid-term survival and revival tactic. This serves our strategy of restoring or rebuilding a new society for us and by us.

I kind of rambled here. The immigration is destructive of both the indigenous and the newcomer. It is exacerbated by elevating the most base of human cultures - the bitter and disaffected thug who lives to fill each moment and sate each base desire from moment to moment.

This thing is caustic. It is a great crime against everyone accept those who are adapted to it and can find a way to adapt their people to it. It is pure evil. I think its highest expression is Friendsgiving. What a sad and empty way to celebrate gratitude.

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Well said.

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Immigrants should cut the cord to their source land and fully adapt to the culture of their host. Only one citizenship should be allowed. The culture deriving from an immigrant’s religion cannot be underestimated as it throws sand in the gears of assimilation, which is difficult process to begin with.

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> Also difference of race is a cause of faction, until harmony of spirit is reached; for just as any chance multitude of people does not form a state, so a state is not formed in any chance period of time. Hence most of the states that have hitherto admitted joint settlers or additional settlers23 have split into factions; for example Achaeans settled at Sybaris24 jointly with Troezenians, and afterwards the Achaeans having become more numerous expelled the Troezenians, which was the Cause of the curse that fell on the Sybarites; and at Thurii Sybarites quarrelled with those who had settled there with them, for they claimed to have the larger share in the country as being their own, and were ejected; and at Byzantium the additional settlers were discovered plotting against the colonists and were expelled by force of arms; and the people of Antissa25 after admitting the Chian exiles expelled them by arms; and the people of Zancle26 after admitting settlers from Samos were themselves expelled; and the people of Apollonia on the Euxine Sea after bringing in additional settlers fell into faction; and the Syracusans after the period of the tyrants27 [1303b] [1] conferred citizenship on their foreign troops and mercenaries and then faction set in and they came to battle; and the Amphipolitans having received settlers from Chalcis were most of them driven out by them.28

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> (And in oligarchies civil strife is raised by the many, on the ground that they are treated unjustly because they are not admitted to an equal share although they are equal, as has been said before, but in democracies it begins with the notables, because they have an equal share although they are not equal.)

http://data.perseus.org/citations/urn:cts:greekLit:tlg0086.tlg035.perseus-eng1:5.1301a

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What about genetics?

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What the hell is wrong with you? How about no immigration? Why would I want to love some Haitian loser? Just another proof Christianity is the cancer of the west. I don't want non-whites learning English, I want them in their s** hole countries.

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Not his point, retard

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I don't care, he sounds like an SJW Christian loser talking about immigration of love and how there could be "based" immigrants out there, diamonds among the rubble. Using language of our enemies.

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